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Trump-Clinton, the debates - stpioc - 09-26-2016 We strongly agree with the following: Quote:Monday’s debate should be to lay out her own motivations and policy goals. In recent months, both of these things have been overshadowed, partly by the scandal surrounding her e-mails and partly by Trump’s big simplistic slogans: build a wall, keep out Muslims, get tough on China, and so on. As it happens, Clinton’s agenda, as my colleague Adam Davidson also wrote the other day, does have a unifying theme. It’s the same one that Democrats have been running on for twenty-five years, a period in which they have won the popular vote in five out of six Presidential elections, and it involves using the power of the government to tilt the economy in favor of working people. Trump, although he talks like a populist, has largely adopted the regressive economic policies of the Republican establishment.The Presidential Debate Is Clinton’s Chance to Outfox Trump - The New Yorker Let the debates be about substance and policy, there are huge differences. Trump poses as a champion of the forgotten masses against a self-dealing elite. This is funny, as he's very much part of that self-dealing elite, and his policy agenda isn't likely to do anything for those forgotten masses. Quite the contrary, it's a traditional blanket deregulation, tax cut for the wealthy trickle-down Voodoo economics stuff that has been tried and failed. Add to that the likelyhood of protectionist policies that is even less likely to revive the economic fortunes of those masses, and the enormous budget gap that his policies will leave, and it should not be difficult to point out the deficiencies. Clinton's own policies offer a mixed bag of stuff that has been tested in other countries and while it is very much incremental, as a package it could make a considerable difference. RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - stpioc - 09-26-2016 Clinton would be a succession of this: Quote:The Obama administration’s success in undoing some of this inequality, although reflected in the recent, welcome census report, is less well-known. Most notably, tax changes enacted during this administration have increased the share of income going to the bottom 99 percent of families by more than the tax changes in any administration since at least 1960.How Obama has narrowed the income inequality gap - The Washington Post RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Admin - 09-26-2016 She could get bogged down in policy details, let's not forget this: Quote:Barnes—now a Fox contributor and executive editor of the Weekly Standard—had long believed that political consulting was bogus (he wrote a 1986 piece in the New Republic called “The Myth of Political Consultants”). But after watching Ailes work his magic on Bush in 1988, he seemed to change his mind, writing, “The effect of Ailes on Bush is unmistakable…. The Ailes theory is that you can win with a sharp line or two, since that’s what most of the electorate will see on news shows. Ailes coaches his candidates to do well in the sound bites, and Bush has scored heavily.”The Man Behind the Curtain | New Republic RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Admin - 09-26-2016 Hillary could do with a few catchphrases of her own.. Quote:Trump stuck out onstage because he didn’t sound like anyone else, and because his signature catchphrases stuck in your head. This was particularly true in the largest debates, when no one got much time to talk and other candidates’ answers tended to blend together. You might not remember the difference between Chris Christie and Rand Paul on immigration a week later, but you’d remember that Donald Trump wanted to “build a wall,” maybe a wall with a “big, beautiful door.”I reviewed every Republican primary debate. Here are Trump’s 7 key moves. - Vox By the way, this whole article is terrific, an inventory of Trump's debating tricks and an assessment whether they'll work in the different setting tonight. RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - stpioc - 09-27-2016 It was really extraordinary to watch how Trump framed the debate with the narrative that bad trade deals have ravished the US economy. Yes, there are losers from trade, but the problem is these are much more visible than the winners (mostly consumers benefiting from lower prices, and exporters for whom foreign markets opened), but trade is not the cause of all, or even most of industrial job losses in the US. This is simply caused by automation. One can run a steel factory with a fraction of the manpower compared to three, or even two decades ago and still produce more steel, and this experience is much the same in many industries. And the remedy, protectionism, is likely to cost jobs, not produce "millions" more.. RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Martin K - 09-27-2016 (09-27-2016, 12:53 PM)stpioc Wrote: It was really extraordinary to watch how Trump framed the debate with the narrative that bad trade deals have ravished the US economy. Yes, there are losers from trade, but the problem is these are much more visible than the winners (mostly consumers benefiting from lower prices, and exporters for whom foreign markets opened), but trade is not the cause of all, or even most of industrial job losses in the US. This is simply caused by automation. One can run a steel factory with a fraction of the manpower compared to three, or even two decades ago and still produce more steel, and this experience is much the same in many industries. Haha, and that was supposed to be the part of the debate that was going pretty well for Donald.. RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Admin - 09-27-2016 And then there was this.. Quote:Here is Trump:Wall Street banks own Donald Trump - Business Insider RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - stpioc - 09-27-2016 Here is some evidence on trade Until the EU went badly astray by introducing the single currency, removing trade barriers has hugely boosted intra-European trade and has generally been good for economic growth and jobs. RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Admin - 09-27-2016 Quote:If the debate doesn’t convince voters that Donald Trump is unfit to be president, then nothing will.If the debate doesn’t convince voters that Donald Trump is unfit to be president, then nothing will. | New Republic RE: Trump-Clinton, the debates - Admin - 09-27-2016 Keep this in mind, Trump cites polls stating that he won the debate, but these polls are bogus. Anyone could vote (whether a registered voter or even an American citizen or not), and do so multiple times.. Quote:The polls Trump cites were unscientific — they allowed anybody anywhere to participate, regardless of whether they’re likely to vote in November or are even an American citizen. Not only that, but according to numerous reports, the results of many of them were rigged by Trump-supporting internet troll armies.Troll armies rig polls to deceive you into believing Trump won first debate |