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The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 08-21-2016 Right-wingers have predicted a so called death spiral for the ACA (Obamacare) from the start. A death spiral is the situation that only the sickest people insure themselves, leading to an increase in premiums and leaving of healthy people. They are now rejoicing after another big insurer left many of the exchanges (although it looks like this was more the result of a blocked merger). However, the thing to keep in mind is that such a death spiral is the consequence of a market failure, called adverse selection. As in any insurance market, insurers want the best risk, whilst the worst risk have by far the biggest incentives to insure themselves. This produces adverse selection, that is, the risk of the insured population is significantly higher than that of the general population. We can't stress enough that this is a market failure. Left by its own devices, adverse selection is a market outcome. The ACA actually is an effort to remedy this. Before the ACA, insurance companies had ways of dealing with adverse selection, like:
But now a few insurers are leaving some exchanges because the the newly insured turn out to be somewhat older and sicker, the right is rejoicing, "we told you so, death spiral.." However, it is really incredibly opportunistic for the right to blame this on ACA:
Quote:The main challenge, however, has been political. It is hard to implement a law when opponents want it obliterated. We might add another quote from that Economist article: Quote:The furore over Obamacare is baffling to the rest of the world. Most rich countries have universal coverage; developing countries are trying to introduce it. Yet in America, home to the world's biggest health system, the fight over insurance is vicious enough to bring government to a halt. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 09-14-2016 Healthcare inflation and rising deductibles in covered care (employer provided healthcare coverage) How about this for hypocrisy: Here is a figure from Kaiser about the cost of healthcare for covered workers (that is, the vast majority of Americans that still get their healthcare coverage from their employer). It has nothing to do with Obamacare. But look, premiums rose between 2001 and 2006 by a whopping 63%, about 10% a year! In the (mostly) crisis years, they still rose 31%, over 5% per year. Did we ever hear these rightwingers who rile against Obamacare, accusing it of sending premiums sky high about the premium inflation in employer healthcare? Of course not.. ![]() And there is more. While the right-wing hysterics against Obamacare riles about deductibles, look what happened to deductibles in covered care: ![]() Yes, you see, they've risen 63% in the last five years! Do we ever hear these right-wingers riling against Obamacare about this? Of course not.. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 09-26-2016 Finally, some good news for Obamacare By Editorial Board September 17 IT HAS been a summer of bad news for the Affordable Care Act, but last week brought some numbers that should put worries about the law into perspective. The Census Bureau announced Tuesday that the proportion of people in the United States who lack health-care coverage continued to plunge last year — to only 9.1 percent. This figure is even better than it looks for Obamacare, because it factors in uninsured undocumented immigrants, of which there are perhaps several million, who are not eligible for the law’s programs. But the overall number could be cut much lower, and quickly, if Obamacare were working as it was meant to. We are not referring to the recent, much-discussed exitof some major health insurers from the marketplaces the law created. We are talking about Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid, the state-federal health plan for the poor and near-poor. The Supreme Court in 2012 made the expansion optional for states, and a large chunk, including Virginia, have refused. The Census Bureau found that the uninsured rate was 7.2 percent in expansion states last year and 12.3 percent in non-expansion states. Five states have expanded since, but that still leaves 19, representing 4 million to 5 million people who would otherwise get coverage, irrationally holding out. Why irrationally? In their effort to hobble Obamacare, state Republican leaders have left huge amounts of federal money on the table. The federal government has offered to pay nearly the whole cost of the expansion, forever. Though states must pitch in a bit, they get a much lower uninsured rate, lower uncompensated care costs and other savings in return. The Urban Institute found last month that the 19 holdout states would get an average of $7.48 from the federal government for every dollar they spent on Medicaid expansion. Even those costs, meanwhile, would likely be further offset by savings elsewhere. States that have already expanded, in fact, have generally seen net revenue gains. Other expansion critics argue that Medicaid does not help its beneficiaries enough to be worth the costs. But a recent National Bureau of Economic Research working paper found that Medicaid expansion has significantly reduced medical debt. People who got Medicaid coverage under Obamacare saw reduced medical collection balances of $600 to $1,000. Those who required a hospital stay or an emergency room visit saw a medical collection balance cut of $1,400 to $2,300. The Affordable Care Act still has a long way to go. Its marketplaces need to stabilize further and enrollments must rise, which will be increasingly hard as the remaining uninsured are more and more difficult to reach. Congress and the White House have the primary responsibility for making the policy work. But it is also long past time for state GOP leaders to stop hurting their constituents in an effort to sabotage the law. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 10-06-2016 And of course right-wingers jumped on Bill Clinton's remark about the ACA, but here is what he really said: Quote:On the campaign trail on Monday, former President Bill Clinton called parts of the law the "craziest thing in the world" because of a gap in subsidies that leaves many middle-income families without support. Obamacare currently provides subsidies for a family of four that makes less than roughly $100,000 combined to receive health insurance through the ACA's public marketplaces if they do not have insurance through their jobs or government programs like Medicare or Medicaid.Bill Clinton's Obamacare comments draw GOP fire - Business Insider And try to get Republican's in Congress on board for remedying some of these defects.. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 10-09-2016 In what is surely one of the best articles on Obamacare, the New York Magazine argues:
6. Fixing Obamacare is technically easy. Health-care analysts can list a bunch of changes that would make the law operate more smoothly. Many of them are very cheap. (See, for instance, here and here.) It is notable that there is huge state-by-state variation in the functioning of the law. States like California are enjoying smooth success, which is itself proof that the law can work as designed. A new Kaiser Family Foundation study digs into the sources of this variation. It turns out that two decisions played a huge role in the success of state markets. One is Medicaid expansion — in 2012, the Republican Supreme Court, as part of a compromise in denying a legal challenge to the law, created a loophole that would allow states to refuse to expand Medicaid, which is the mechanism Obamacare uses to cover the very poor. Most Republican states have leaped at the chance to deny health-insurance coverage to their poorest citizens, and the higher costs of these low-income, uninsured citizens have bled into the exchange markets, causing premiums to rise. Simply bringing every state into the Medicaid expansion, which is already funded, would bring down premiums substantially. A second important decision is that many states decided to grandfather in existing plans in 2014. You may remember this as the “keep your plan” dispute. Before Obamacare, the individual insurance market was based on insurers denying coverage to sick people and only selling plans to customers who had no preexisting conditions. The law always intended to regulate the market and force insurers to stop skimming off healthy people. But some of those healthy people had cheap plans — because they are currently healthy — that they wanted to keep. They raised an uproar, and the administration (unwisely) agreed to let states keep them running for another three years. That decision bought some immediate relief but has proven costly. Those healthy customers have stayed out of the exchange pool, leaving the customers in the exchange sicker than average, raising costs. Kaiser found that states that grandfathered in plans also have higher exchange costs. But, the report notes, that grandfathering ends next year, which will bring relief. And there are some administrative changes Obamacare can make and a Hillary Clinton presidency could continue. But most of the important changes require either conscious cooperation by state governments, many of which are run by hostile Republicans, or changes to federal law. That’s bad news because … 7. Improving Obamacare is politically impossible. The Republican Party’s goal on health-care reform is to destroy Obamacare. Any change that makes the law function better is one they will by definition oppose. If the Republican primary has shown us anything, it is that the party remains a dysfunctional morass of resentment whose angry impulses override any sense of public responsibility. Even if it were possible for Republican health-care experts to negotiate changes in an atmosphere undisturbed by the kind of paranoid rage on display when tea-party activists flooded town halls in 2009 to complain about death panels, those ideas are incompatible with the law’s functioning. Republicans, and Democrats can’t compromise on health care for the same reason they can’t compromise on taxes: They have diametric goals. On taxes, Republicans want to shift the burden from the rich to the poor, while Democrats want the opposite. A similar dynamic exists in health care. Republicans want to restore the ability of healthy and wealthy people to buy cheap plans that don’t cross-subsidize the sick and the poor — the very features of the insurance system that Obamacare was designed to stop. Since Republican ideas for improving the health-care system all involve shifting costs from the rich and healthy to the poor and sick, there’s just no way to blend them together with the goals Democrats have in mind. Obamacare could work better. So could many things government does — Medicaid, highway spending, environmental regulation, and on and on. These programs reflect the compromises necessary in a Madisonian system that happens to have a dysfunctional anti-government extremist party controlling legislative veto points. If and when Democrats gain control of both chambers of Congress along with the White House, they could very easily pass a suite of tweaks to make Obamacare work better. In the meantime, it’s still a pretty big deal. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 01-22-2017 Market fundamentalism versus reality in health care.. Quote:When a party, or even more broadly, a political tendency, is so plainly befuddled by what it repeatedly has vowed to be its first policy priority, something very fundamental must be very wrong. And that “something” is fundamental indeed: It is the conservative belief that markets can fix any problem and address any need. And here explained, one more time.. Health Care Fundamentals Another week of complete chaos on the health reform front. Dear Leader declares that he’ll give everyone coverage; Republicans explain that he didn’t mean that literally. CBO says the obvious, that repealing the ACA would lead to immense hardship for tens of millions; Republicans declare that this is wrong, because they will come up with an alternative any day now — you know, the one they’ve been promising for 7 years. I’ve written about all of this many, many, many times. The logic of Obamacare — the reason anything aiming to cover a large fraction of the previously uninsured must either be single-payer or something very like the ACA — is the clearest thing I’ve seen in decades of policy discussion. But I don’t know if I’ve ever written out the fundamental principles that lie behind all of this. So here we go: providing health care to those previously denied it is, necessarily, a matter of redistributing from the lucky to the unlucky. And, of course, reversing a policy that expanded health care is redistribution in reverse. You can’t make this reality go away. Left to its own devices, a market economy won’t care for the sick unless they can pay for it; insurance can help up to a point, but insurance companies have no interest in covering people they suspect will get sick. So unfettered markets mean that health care goes only to those who are wealthy and/or healthy enough that they won’t need it often, and hence can get insurance. If that’s a state of affairs you’re comfortable with, so be it. But the public doesn’t share your sentiments. Health care is an issue on which most people are natural Rawlsians: they can easily imagine themselves in the position of those who, through no fault of their own, experience expensive medical problems, and feel that society should protect people like themselves from such straits. The thing is, however, that guaranteeing health care comes with a cost. You can tell insurance companies that they can’t discriminate based on medical history, but that means higher premiums for the healthy — and you also create an incentive to stay uninsured until or unless you get sick, which pushes premiums even higher. So you have to regulate individuals as well as insurers, requiring that everyone sign up — the mandate, And since some people won’t be able to obey such a mandate, you need subsidies, which must be paid for out of taxes. Before the passage and implementation of the ACA, Republicans could wave all this away by claiming that health reform could never work. And even now they’re busy telling lies about its collapse. But none of this will conceal mass loss of health care in the wake of Obamacare repeal, with some of their most loyal voters among the biggest losers. What they’re left with is a health economics version of voodoo: they’ll invoke the magic of the market to somehow provide insurance so cheap that everyone will be able to afford it whatever their income and medical status. This is obvious nonsense; I think even Paul Ryan knows that he’s lying like a rug. But it’s all they’ve got. RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 03-19-2017 The simple truth is, Obamacare isn't imploding, Conservatives are lying. Says who? The nonpartisan CBO Quote:Obamacare is not imploding. Nor is it collapsing. Nor is it a “ticking time bomb” that Obama ordered B613 to set to go off the moment he left office and he and Michelle arrived in New York City looking younger than you.Time to Call Out the Big GOP Lie on Obamacare - The Daily Beast RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 03-22-2017 Quote:It's hard to decide which would be the more politically damaging outcome for Republican politicians: passing the American Health Care Act, and therefore owning the premium increases and coverage losses it would cause; or not passing the bill, and therefore failing to do anything that can be framed as "repealing Obamacare."Republicans lied about healthcare for years and deserve punishment - Business Insider RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 03-23-2017 Quote:If it passes, the American Health Care Act will be Donald Trump and Paul Ryan's Iraq War. It's been sold with lies. It's been pushed forward with a shock-and-awe legislative strategy. And its architects are woefully unprepared for the chaos it would unleash upon passage.The health care bill could be Donald Trump’s Iraq War - Vox RE: The right's hypocrisy over ACA - stpioc - 03-31-2017 Here is a thought. Rightwingers continuously argue that Obamacare is collapsing (and they are actively engaging in producing that outcome). While it's not collapsing or going to collaps anytime soon (per the CBO), it's indeed a fact that some of the the exchanges face some trouble, with rising premiums and insurers leaving. The funny thing is, these exchanges are the rightwing part of Obamacare, they come out of the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare in Massachusetts. The 'leftwing' part of Obamacare, expanding Medicaid and allowing children under 26 to be covered on their parents insurance, and not allowing insurers to discriminate on the basis of pre-existing conditions, works fine (apart from those states, invariably Republican governed, where they didn't expand Medicaid, needless to say). |